What makes an unranked 13er?

[jrbren_vt]

I was wondering this earlier today as well. I assume there are thresholds for the horizontal distance between the peaks and/or the vertical distance that the peak in question rises above the col in between it and the neighboring peak on the ridge. I think out east (Adirondacks/Whites) 300' or 500' was used, or a 1 mile horizontal distance, but can't recall and too lazy to look it up. What is it for Colorado 13ers and 14ers I was wondering ?

[alexhenes]

"Ski Hayden" is listed on LoJ because it's unofficially named (sourced from Dawson's ski guide). It is neither ranked, soft-ranked, nor named.
Wonder why Ski Hayden isn't on 14ers?

Hayden is listed here and on LoJ because it's officially named by the USGS. It is not ranked nor soft-ranked.
"South Hayden" is fake news. It is not ranked, soft-ranked, named, nor unofficially named.
Is there a database of record for 'unofficial names'?

Who knows why it's labeled on the CalTopo map? That seems to be crowd-sourced data so assign it the same weight as Wikipedia. Caltopo also says there's a parking lot on the summit of Animas Mountain.
Just noticed that... I parked my ass up there once.

Side note: There are a bunch of formerly soft-ranked peaks listed here and on LoJ which don't meet the LiDAR standard. I'm not sure what the plan is for the ones that are also not officially or unofficially named, since they no longer meet any criteria for listing on either site. I assume they'll be kept.
LiDAR thowing all of us hikers into a frezny

I have also wondered what is so magical about official names when it comes to 14ers. The list of 58 has ranked and unranked with official names. The 13er list has ranked and unranked regardless of name status. Is there a reason we don't treat 14ers and 13ers the same in this respect?

@boggy... You have climbed all of the unranked 13ers... did you do the 14ers list or LoJ list?

I am also wondering what Bill is going to do with respect to unranked peaks come December when he makes the LiDAR updates.

[Scott P]

Roach has a rather liberal view of what counts as "named"; for example, all the alphabet peaks in the Gore above 13,000' are included, and a few names of unranked peaks I believe he came up with himself.

I believe he uses the same criteria as LoJ. Official USGS names are used and names that come out of guidebooks and other publications are in quotation marks. If it's in a guidebook or publication, but not an official USGS name, it is considered to be an unofficially named peak.

[dereks95]

There's no such thing as an unnamed peak. You're just not being creative enough.

[Boggy B]

Wonder why Ski Hayden isn't on 14ers?

Is there a database of record for 'unofficial names'?

Right, 14ers used the Roach 13er list, which consisted mostly (entirely?) of ranked, named, and (>=280' interpolated prominence) soft-ranked peaks.
To that count, LoJ adds any peak that has a published name and is therefore probably the most complete database of unofficial names.

I have also wondered what is so magical about official names when it comes to 14ers. The list of 58 has ranked and unranked with official names. The 13er list has ranked and unranked regardless of name status. Is there a reason we don't treat 14ers and 13ers the same in this respect?

@boggy... You have climbed all of the unranked 13ers... did you do the 14ers list or LoJ list?

I am also wondering what Bill is going to do with respect to unranked peaks come December when he makes the LiDAR updates.

Some people would only climb the 53 ranked 14ers. Hence the nonsensical 53 vs. 58 debate. I assume climbing all the named 13ers never caught on due to the small number of untidy technical climbs it adds.

"Unranked" is ambiguous. I climbed the ranked, named, and then-soft-ranked CO peaks over 13k. That list included most of the 13ers on this site as well as "North Massive" (the only soft-ranked 14er). LoJ includes many more peaks of varying significance. Ironically only one soft-ranked peak over 13k ("West Eolus") survived the LiDAR purge.

"North Massive" is relegated to the ranks of the bonus 14ers like "North Snowmass" and "Pin Point" and bonus 13ers like "Sunlight Spire" and "The Kurzhorn."

[bdloftin77]

"Ski Hayden" is listed on LoJ because it's unofficially named (sourced from Dawson's ski guide). It is neither ranked, soft-ranked, nor named.
Hayden is listed here and on LoJ because it's officially named by the USGS. It is not ranked nor soft-ranked.
"South Hayden" is fake news. It is not ranked, soft-ranked, named, nor unofficially named.

Who knows why it's labeled on the CalTopo map? That seems to be crowd-sourced data so assign it the same weight as Wikipedia. Caltopo also says there's a parking lot on the summit of Animas Mountain.

Side note: There are a bunch of formerly soft-ranked peaks listed here and on LoJ which don't meet the LiDAR standard. I'm not sure what the plan is for the ones that are also not officially or unofficially named, since they no longer meet any criteria for listing on either site. I assume they'll be kept.

Yeah I think caltopo gets a bunch of their label info from Open Street Maps.
https://training.caltopo.com/all_users/ ... ers#mbtopo
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/39.0505/-106.8548

John said a while ago that he'll probably keep the historic soft-ranked peaks in the database. (bookkeeping for those who've climbed them)

[greenonion]

Kit Carson should be unnamed. Oh that’s a 14er. Never mind.

[alexhenes]

It is cool give give a nod to history and tradition and climb the peaks unofficially named by the folks who pioneered mountaineering in Colorado.

However it seems you are right boggy... unranked peaks are ambiguous. If new guidebooks decide to give unofficial names to points above 13k that were not previously named the list could change.

[jkirk]

However it seems you are right boggy... unranked peaks are ambiguous. If new guidebooks decide to give unofficial names to points above 13k that were not previously named the list could change.

Happens as well with new officially named peaks. This is why I drew a hard line a long time ago with only P300+ peaks being counted in completion totals/member stats on LoJ.

[Gibson135]

My favorite unofficial name if an unnamed peak is “Ooh La La”, the next peak south from Ogallala… I just find it kind of amusing.

Reading about it now, it looks like the reason for this being a nickname is because the prominence is a little less than 300, 285ft. It’s a little less than 13k though.

Not sure if he came up with it, but it was in Gerry Roaches Indian Peaks book.

[CaptainSuburbia]

My favorite unofficial name if an unnamed peak is “Ooh La La”, the next peak south from Ogallala… I just find it kind of amusing.

Reading about it now, it looks like the reason for this being a nickname is because the prominence is a little less than 300, 285ft. It’s a little less than 13k though.

Not sure if he came up with it, but it was in Gerry Roaches Indian Peaks book.

It might be named after the Faces song Ooh La La?

[Gibson135]

Maybe… I always figured it was just a clever playful sort of spin off of the name of the neighboring peak, Ogallala, while also sort of appreciating the cool view there with the St Vrain Glacier.

Thanks for sharing that song too.. I thought Rod Stewart wrote that one.