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shelly+ wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 2:17 pm
oldschool wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 1:13 pm shelly+....

It may not be a benefit to some but to others yes, it is. I am an example. I am now working seasonal jobs on purpose. I get 3 months off, my wages are adequate, and I do fun work outdoors. Not for some but the definition of "benefit " varies from person to person. Everything has a pro and con component.
totally agreed. i've done that too. by choice. however, if seasonal or low-wage work is the only gig in a tourist town, you're screwed if you have no other choices.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you do have another choice: move somewhere else where there are better jobs.
Another option is to start your own business, although I understand that is a really tough gig and I can't say I have ever done it.

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nunns wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 4:52 pm
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you do have another choice: move somewhere else where there are better jobs.
Another option is to start your own business, although I understand that is a really tough gig and I can't say I have ever done it.

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point taken. but then who will serve the skiers their drinks after a day of skiing?
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shelly+ wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 5:14 pm
nunns wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 4:52 pm
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you do have another choice: move somewhere else where there are better jobs.
Another option is to start your own business, although I understand that is a really tough gig and I can't say I have ever done it.

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point taken. but then who will serve the skiers their drinks after a day of skiing?
If enough people move out, there won't be hardly anyone left for jobs like this. Decreased supply of workers = increased demand = higher wages for those that do stay.
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nunns wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm
shelly+ wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 5:14 pm
nunns wrote: Wed May 08, 2019 4:52 pm
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you do have another choice: move somewhere else where there are better jobs.
Another option is to start your own business, although I understand that is a really tough gig and I can't say I have ever done it.

Sean Nunn

point taken. but then who will serve the skiers their drinks after a day of skiing?
If enough people move out, there won't be hardly anyone left for jobs like this. Decreased supply of workers = increased demand = higher wages for those that do stay.
+1

There is a ying and a yang to the Moab's and Summit Counties of our country. Moab, as an example, isn't Denver, meaning the expectation is not and should not be a solid, non transient work force, increasing wages with solid, year round work (there is some) and abundant and affordable housing, or solid manufacturing, tech, and other non seasonal type of work.

I have many friends in Moab. Some hate what's happened, some don't. Crowded, traffic, high living costs. For others they see business opportunities. I have discussed with these friends that the people that have been voted in to positions of control and power in Moab were and are pro growth. You want a different Moab...so to speak? Vote in different people. Combine that with a law in UT requiring certain monies to be spent on tourism advertising, and not infrastructure needs. Again, the power of a voting box can be strong.
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this conversation has given me some good perspectives. tourism in general is a topic that has interested me for a very long time. so...thanks! :)
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dontbugme wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 9:22 am
The USA population is going from 328 now to 438 in 2050. Think about how crowded ever place will be then.
90% of Missouri and Kansas, and I would guess Colorado, and lots of other states, especially those west of the Mississippi, are very sparsely populated in terms of people per square mile. Even if your projections are correct, that isn't going to change dramatically. What might change dramatically is the population of large cities. Most people (including me) live in large metropolises. The size of those cities and their suburbs is going to continue to increase. I for one might well do my part to reduce that by eventually moving out of the large city that I am in (KC) at some point. But I don't see Durango CO having 50,000 people any time soon.

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Even if the population in the US skyrockets by 2050, good ol' Wyoming will still be well below a million! Hopefully, by then, wolves in the state will outnumber the people.
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12ersRule wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 1:07 pm Even if the population in the US skyrockets by 2050, good ol' Wyoming will still be well below a million! Hopefully, by then, wolves in the state will outnumber the people.
I grew up in Wyoming- I doubt there will be 1 million people there anytime soon. The wind alone will keep people from moving there. Plus the human population is almost outnumbered by pronghorn antelope.
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dontbugme wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 12:05 pm
nunns wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 11:16 am
dontbugme wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 9:22 am
The USA population is going from 328 now to 438 in 2050. Think about how crowded ever place will be then.
90% of Missouri and Kansas, and I would guess Colorado, and lots of other states, especially those west of the Mississippi, are very sparsely populated in terms of people per square mile. Even if your projections are correct, that isn't going to change dramatically. What might change dramatically is the population of large cities. Most people (including me) live in large metropolises. The size of those cities and their suburbs is going to continue to increase. I for one might well do my part to reduce that by eventually moving out of the large city that I am in (KC) at some point. But I don't see Durango CO having 50,000 people any time soon.

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How about 95,000?
https://durangoherald.com/articles/167803

One thing no one is taking about is World Population growth and its effects.
That's a projected figure for the entire county. I was referring to the town of Durango. However I probably should have said 200,000 to make my point more clear.

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dontbugme wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 12:05 pm How about 95,000?
https://durangoherald.com/articles/167803

One thing no one is taking about is World Population growth and its effects.
I used to worry about it more, until it turned out that once you gave women equal rights and access to contraception, births dropped to at or below the replacement rate. Europe, Japan, and the US are all well below the replacement birth rate. Sure, popular places are way too crowded now, and life in general would be much better with about half as many people in the world, but I'm cautiously optimistic that world population can level off and maybe even decline a bit.
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seano wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 7:39 pmand life in general would be much better with about half as many people in the world
Is that you, Thanos? :)
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WanderingJim wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 7:43 pm
seano wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 7:39 pmand life in general would be much better with about half as many people in the world
Is that you, Thanos? :)
Oh, snap! ;-)