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You can't start a post with "Pure Deep State" and still expect rational people to take your next statement seriously.
+1 Ryan's posts are funny.
I don't think this is the proper way to control traffic and keep people safe. For my two cents, the "this is truly stupid" comments are little ridiculous.
Either way, we all need to come to terms that we don't live in the wild frontier of our forefathers. The idea of some 18th century Utopian wilderness, rugged self reliance is a fantasy that never existed and we shan't return to unless there some kind of cataclysm. It is amusing that the same people that don't want change are generally the ones against the return of wolves, grizzles and probably wouldn't be happy if the prior owners of the land came back looking for ownership.
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A man has got to know his limitations.-Dr. Jonathan Hemlock or Harry Callahan or something F' it: http://youtu.be/lpzqQst-Sg8
'Life is too short to ski groomers'
"That man's only desire was to stand, once only, on the summit of that glorious wedge of rock...I think anyone who loves the mountains as much as that can claim to be a mountaineer, too."-Hermann Buhl, Nanga Parbat Pilgrimage
Driving tests are so successful in preventing accidents, hiking tests would likely do the same!
What would one of those tests look like?
What rock is more stable?
a) Ridge rock
b) Gully rock
c) Fraggle rock
If your GPS runs out of batteries, what do you do?
a) Panic
b) Take out your map and compass
c) Call SAR
You run out of water and you're nowhere near a water source, what do you do?
a) suck it up buttercup. You're really not that far from civilization
b) get hysterical and shame your fellow hikers to give you some.
c) drink your own urine.
d) drink someone else's urine.
jmanner wrote:Either way, we all need to come to terms that we don't live in the wild frontier of our forefathers.
Yep, things have changed a lot since the days of our forefathers (and foremothers). I'll be amazed if we don't see permits and user fees within the next ten years, especially for the most popular peaks.
As is relates to you, please don't. You're utterly predictable with your privileged and narrow world view.
But since you commented on my not commenting, here you have it:
1) The sky is not falling.
2) There is plenty of wilderness and solitude around.
3) Lazy peeps that won't go the extra mile to get to it, get what they deserve.
4) The guberment is not always bad. Sometimes regulation is good. See DDT for example.
5) There is nothing wrong with a permit system for overused areas.
Call on God, but row away from the rocks.
Hunter S Thompson
Walk away from the droning and leave the hive behind.
Dick Derkase
Hiking License.. no, but a permit system to preserve the wilderness for over-used areas, yes.
It's over-due now for Colorado. These are the kinds of things that should be done proactively given it's towards conservation. Hopefully Colorado has something in the pipeline to moderate the traffic and not let stampedes ruin the mountains.
#MakeColoradoGreatAgain
RIP - M56
Re-introduce Grizzly Bears into the Colorado Wilderness™
highpilgrim wrote:As is relates to you, please don't. You're utterly predictable with your privileged and narrow world view.
But since you commented on my not commenting, here you have it:
1) The sky is not falling.
2) There is plenty of wilderness and solitude around.
3) Lazy peeps that won't go the extra mile to get to it, get what they deserve.
4) The guberment is not always bad. Sometimes regulation is good. See DDT for example.
5) There is nothing wrong with a permit system for overused areas.
Again with the unprovoked personal attacks. Does that make you feel good? By the way, none of your ideas relates to the OP, i.e., requiring a vehicle license to prevent "bad stuff" from happening to the environment or to the climber. Crowds, pesticide regulation, and the amount of solitude isn't relevant to the discussion. And it's still a ridiculous idea.
Bad decisions often make good stories.
IPAs + Ambien = "14ers" post (Bill M.)
In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps. Proverbs 16:9
Permits are coming whether we like it or not. However, that only helps with moderating traffic and it will disperse people to other locations that aren't permitted. The issue remains that we need a viable long-term solution to proactively educate people before they go into the Forest and Wilderness. We have tried passive education and the "no one can tell me what I can & can't do strategy" for a long time - IT IS FAILING. You can either be part of the solution or wait for a dumbass politician to force a terrible solution on us. Just because you can still find solitude doesn't change the fact that there is a major problem. With another 700k to 1 million people moving to Colorado in the next 10 years we need to start making changes now.
I think you're both morons. Does that make me a moderate?
painless4u2 wrote:
highpilgrim wrote:As is relates to you, please don't. You're utterly predictable with your privileged and narrow world view.
But since you commented on my not commenting, here you have it:
1) The sky is not falling.
2) There is plenty of wilderness and solitude around.
3) Lazy peeps that won't go the extra mile to get to it, get what they deserve.
4) The guberment is not always bad. Sometimes regulation is good. See DDT for example.
5) There is nothing wrong with a permit system for overused areas.
Again with the unprovoked personal attacks. Does that make you feel good? By the way, none of your ideas relates to the OP, i.e., requiring a vehicle license to prevent "bad stuff" from happening to the environment or to the climber. Crowds, pesticide regulation, and the amount of solitude isn't relevant to the discussion. And it's still a ridiculous idea.
EZsummits wrote:Permits are coming whether we like it or not. However, that only helps with moderating traffic and it will disperse people to other locations that aren't permitted. The issue remains that we need a viable long-term solution to proactively educate people before they go into the Forest and Wilderness. We have tried passive education and the "no one can tell me what I can & can't do strategy" for a long time - IT IS FAILING. You can either be part of the solution or wait for a dumbass politician to force a terrible solution on us. Just because you can still find solitude doesn't change the fact that there is a major problem. With another 700k to 1 million people moving to Colorado in the next 10 years we need to start making changes now.
Agreed...I'm pretty sure hikers do a significant amount of policing out on the trail and especially on the internet when it comes to the do's and dont's of the wilderness.
Problem is, hikers aren't the only people in the woods.
Fire bans are ignored on a grand scale. It won't be long before a fire ban means a camping ban, or even a "closed" sign on your favorite trail.
"So I say, do not discriminate what constitutes a mountain. Be happy you are in a continual pursuit of something that gives you energy in life.” —Stefan Feller
I have been toying w this idea for a while, and just like someone else here, I thought it would have been great to have folks take LNT as part of requirement in order to obtain that license. Nowadays, I lean toward crowd control by different means. Moving parking lots further down the trail, so the approach is less accessible. I don`t mind paying or reserving in advance as long as I see it going toward trail maintenance. But until this utopian idea takes off, how about if we call out people on the trail.We don`t have enough rangers to control all these trails. However, there are plenty of us on the trail. Show leadership and keep others as well responsible. If you see something , point it out. I was pleasantly surprised how many positive response I got once I calmly explained WTF.
I almost teared up from my own post.....oh my gosh.
You can't start a post with "Pure Deep State" and still expect rational people to take your next statement seriously. 
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